I've been thinking...
...about that bill regarding when life begins and I have a couple of questions. First of all, what problem they were trying to fix? Does anyone out there know? I wonder, will this affect the census? In disussing it with my father, he has said that you were right, this is an anti-abortion bill. See how naive I am? No wonder I believed Vex.
The only thing besides abortion that this would address, as far as I can see, is when a woman is assaulted and the fetus/embryo is damaged. I don't see how we can ever say when life begins. What an assinine thing for a state to even try to figure out, that is a biological function, how can a government decide a thing like that?
I must say that I don't think we can have it both ways. If people want to make it a crime to injure a fetus, you almost HAVE to say that abortion IS the taking of a life. How can you do that without saying that there has been a life to begin with? Scott Peterson was convicted of murder for killing his son. So, how can you say that it is a crime only when and if the person who ended the pregnancy did so without the consent of the mother? Who are we protecting, the mother or the fetus?
The only people being protected by these silly laws are the politcians that write them to appease their consituents. The people of Tennesse have obviously made it clear that they are anti-abortion. They wouldn't have put these folks in office otherwise. This is what I was talking about when I was discussing political correctness. Of course, today it is politcally correct, in most states, to be pro-choice. Tennessee is one of the places where they don't feel that way, at least not the majority of them.
This bill is useless. But, we have made it clear that we don't care as long as the politicians vote for the things that we want them to vote for, not things that would actually solve a problem. So, I am going to try to find out what problem this bill is meant to solve. If they do declare n embryo/fetus a person, do they pay taxes? Are they counted in the census? What are these people thinking? If I am right and these politicians are simply trying to buy votes with such nonsense, then the people of Tennessee have been scammed out of their tax dollars. Perhaps some of them are happy about this bill, but they don't understand the fact that this bill says basically nothing. If they want to have a state where abortion is illegal (except for certain conditions) then they should just go ahead and do it. I would like to hear from people who know why this bill was presented to the assembly. It would be nice to hear what they think of the bill and if they know what problem, if any, the Tennessee Senate was addressing by this bill. I will be trying to research it online, but I would also love to hear both sides of this argument. I would also like to hear from people who are NOT in Tennessee, just to debate the issue in general. Remember, this is a blog that anyone can comment on ( anonymously, if you prefer) without fear of being attacked by some far right or far left lunatics. Let's try to find some middle ground on this one.
Meg
...about that bill regarding when life begins and I have a couple of questions. First of all, what problem they were trying to fix? Does anyone out there know? I wonder, will this affect the census? In disussing it with my father, he has said that you were right, this is an anti-abortion bill. See how naive I am? No wonder I believed Vex.
The only thing besides abortion that this would address, as far as I can see, is when a woman is assaulted and the fetus/embryo is damaged. I don't see how we can ever say when life begins. What an assinine thing for a state to even try to figure out, that is a biological function, how can a government decide a thing like that?
I must say that I don't think we can have it both ways. If people want to make it a crime to injure a fetus, you almost HAVE to say that abortion IS the taking of a life. How can you do that without saying that there has been a life to begin with? Scott Peterson was convicted of murder for killing his son. So, how can you say that it is a crime only when and if the person who ended the pregnancy did so without the consent of the mother? Who are we protecting, the mother or the fetus?
The only people being protected by these silly laws are the politcians that write them to appease their consituents. The people of Tennesse have obviously made it clear that they are anti-abortion. They wouldn't have put these folks in office otherwise. This is what I was talking about when I was discussing political correctness. Of course, today it is politcally correct, in most states, to be pro-choice. Tennessee is one of the places where they don't feel that way, at least not the majority of them.
This bill is useless. But, we have made it clear that we don't care as long as the politicians vote for the things that we want them to vote for, not things that would actually solve a problem. So, I am going to try to find out what problem this bill is meant to solve. If they do declare n embryo/fetus a person, do they pay taxes? Are they counted in the census? What are these people thinking? If I am right and these politicians are simply trying to buy votes with such nonsense, then the people of Tennessee have been scammed out of their tax dollars. Perhaps some of them are happy about this bill, but they don't understand the fact that this bill says basically nothing. If they want to have a state where abortion is illegal (except for certain conditions) then they should just go ahead and do it. I would like to hear from people who know why this bill was presented to the assembly. It would be nice to hear what they think of the bill and if they know what problem, if any, the Tennessee Senate was addressing by this bill. I will be trying to research it online, but I would also love to hear both sides of this argument. I would also like to hear from people who are NOT in Tennessee, just to debate the issue in general. Remember, this is a blog that anyone can comment on ( anonymously, if you prefer) without fear of being attacked by some far right or far left lunatics. Let's try to find some middle ground on this one.
Meg
posted by Meg Kelso | 7:05 PM
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It's not just Tenn.
Kansas just finished redoing the Scopes trial and this time it looks like the KS School Board will decide to dump teaching evolution and begin teaching "this is complex - it must have been designed by an invisible guy in the sky".
And then at the national level we have a gynecologist appointed by Bush as an advisor to the FDA who has been repeatedly anally raping his narcoleptic wife and when she protested being ass raped in her sleep, he said he didn't realize and must have gotten his dick in the wrong hole. (A gynecologist who can't tell ass from pussy?) So why did the president appoint this creep - well he did write a book where he advised women to read scripture as a remedy for menstrual pain.
Other well thought out laws in Tennessee:
* More than 8 women may not live in the same house because that would constitute a brothel.
* It is illegal to use a lasso to catch a fish.
* "Crimes against nature" are prohibited.
* Giving and receiving oral sex is still prohibited by law.
* Driving is not to be done while asleep.
* The age of consent is 16, but 12 if the girl is a virgin.
* It is legal to gather and consume roadkill.
* In Dyersburg, it is illegal for a woman to call a man for a date.
* In Memphis, it is illegal for a woman to drive by herself; "a man must walk or run in front of the vehicle, waving a red flag in order to warn approaching pedestrians and motorists."
* Hollow logs may not be sold.
* Stealing a horse is punishible by hanging.
* In Fayette County, you may not have more than five inoperable vehicles on a piece of property.
* In Lenior County, when you pull up to a stop sign you must fire a gun out the window to warn horse carriages that you are coming.
* In Lexington, no one may eat ice cream on the sidewalk.
* In Lexington, spitting on the sidewalk is prohibited.
* In Knoxville, in front of their buildings, all businesses must have a "hitching post."
* In Memphis, it's illegal for frogs to croak after 11 PM.
* Panhandlers must first obtain a $10 permit before begging on the streets of downtown Memphis. (Passed in 1996)
* In Memphis, it is illegal to give any pie to fellow diners. It is also illegal to take unfinished pie home. All pie must be eaten on the premises.
* An ordinance forbids anyone to sing the song "It Ain't Goin' To Rain No Mo'" in Oneida.
* The definition of "dumb animal" includes every living creature.
* Males may not be sexually aroused in public in Nashville.
* It is illegal to place tacks on a highway.
* Skunks may not be carried into the state.
* You can't shoot any game other than whales from a moving automobile.
* Any person who participates in a duel may not hold any public office in the state.
* Ministers are to be dedicated to God and therefore are not eligible to hold a seat in either House of the Legislature.
* It is illegal to dare a child to purchase a beer.
* No Christian parent may require their children to pick up trash from the highway on Easter day.
So, what the hell, one more dumb law... just kidding. [This info was taken off the internet, so it may not be correct.]
Molly Ivan's writes about what she calls the "Texas Farm Boy Policy".
The Texas State Police had a HR policy that you were not eligible for hire if you had had sex with another man since you turned 16, or had had sex with an animal since you became 18.
People from Tenn who know about this bill will likely tell you that a Georgian named Neal Horsley helped it along. Neal Horsley is an anti-abortion wingnut of the facist right and wants to make any abortion a crime and seeks to put up the photos and home address of any doctor who has ever performed an abortion on his website. May 5th Horsley was on Alan Colmes radio program and told the world about men from Georgia when Alan asked if the reporst that Horsley had sex with animals was true -
Alan Colmes: "You had sex with animals?"
Neal Horsley: "Absolutely. I was a fool. When you grow up on a farm in Georgia, your first girlfriend is a mule."
AC: "I'm not so sure that that is so."
NH: "You didn't grow up on a farm in Georgia, did you?"
AC: "Are you suggesting that everybody who grows up on a farm in Georgia has a mule as a girlfriend?"
NH: It has historically been the case. You people are so far removed from the reality... Welcome to domestic life on the farm..."
Colmes said he thought there were a lot of people in the audience who grew up on farms, are living on farms now, raising kids on farms and "and I don't think they are dating Elsie right now. You know what I'm saying?"
Horsley said, "You experiment with anything that moves when you are growing up sexually. You're naive. You know better than that... If it's warm and it's damp and it vibrates you might in fact have sex with it."
Horsley came back on Colmes show last Thursday and added...
Neal Horsley returned to the Alan Colmes Radio Show Thursday night to defend his history of his, er, um, fancy of a certain mule in his pre-teen life of a "normal" farm boy. It was a natural occurence, he said, like that of a mutt that will hump everything warm and wet in sight. He maintained that he did not rape the mule. Horsley claimed that the mule consented and was a willing consultant in this match due to the fact that the mule was clearly a whore for accepting the gift of an ear of corn for the sexual act. Now if you are doing a double take on that piece of information, I should advise you, he really said it.
Mr. Horsley stated that it is logical and natural to engage in beastiality in today's world, comparing it to consenting gay sex. Mule-man sex is natural, and man-man sex is natural but not normal. He compared it to the paradigm of a dog humping a leg or anything it can find. All men are mutts (well DUH!) when it comes to their sexuality, The mule was just a matter of convenience for him, but it was just one mule.
Alan Colmes replied "At least you were a monogomist".
Alan continued the question with "if it were a washing machine would you have sexual intercourse with it?"
Horsley replied, paraphasing, "I hadn't thought about it, but I would have had sex with anything wet and warm and moved."
Horsley continued by saying that you can be forgiven for the "naturalness" of beastiality because animals are dumb and have no feelings, but those involved in homsexuality should be put in prison.
That would mean Horsley should be sitting in that prison according to his own convictions. Yes folks, most of you guessed it right, he admitted to 1 homosexual affair with a man and 2 extra-marital affairs that resulted in pregnancies.
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