A John defends porn...
...but in a reasonable way. He expects us to "fire away" at him for his honesty. We don't do that to men here. We shred them up for being liars, morons or both. (Speaking of which...Hey JQ!)
I appreciate John's honesty and I can debate him calmly because of it. My ex wouldn't know that I have that ability because he never tried to be honest with me. Anyway, here is John's comment regarding men and their use of porn:
I would argue that many men do use porn to an unhealthy extreme, which I would define as affecting the man's ability to have sexual relations with his wife. if the wife wants to make love, and the man just satisfied himself using porn and is physically unavailable, then that would be unhealthy. But there are many sound physical reasons for men to release themselves more frequently than women want, or need. Scientific studies have shown a relationship between some diseases (prostate cancer, for one) and how often a man ejaculates. Not how often he has loving sex with a significant other, just ejaculates. There are other physical benefits to more frequent sex than is normal (three times per week seems necessary according to most of the studies). Still, if porn and masturbation are interfering with sex within the marriage, that is unhealthy.
Before I respond to this comment, let me qualify what I'm about to say. I know that some women don't mind if their man enjoys pornography. I am not referring to them. If you are a man, woman or couple who find porn to be a sexual enhancer, go for it. I'm not speaking to you.
I'm speaking for the millions of women who are bothered when the man who they love finds it necessary to get a nut using images of women other than his wife. And you guys may actually SEE the pictures, we have to IMAGINE what you're doing. We don't like the picture of you and some tramp in our head at all! I've never heard anything regarding John's assertion that an increased number of ejaculations are a healthy thing, but I'm gonna give him the benefit of the doubt.
Say it's true. Let's pretend that a man's very life depends on an ejaculation once every half hour. It's not the fact that the man is ejaculating without us that we find hurtful...it's the fact that the ejaculation is accomplished because the man just imagined some trashy broad sucking his dick, taking his dick up her ass or taking it up the normal portal.
If it is true that a man needs constant relief for health reasons, why doesn't he plan ahead, take pictures of his wife and then just whack off to her image? Man, that would make me feel sexy.
John, I appreciate the poor dude who's very life depends on constant ejaculations. But I still say that, no matter what the health issue, finding sexual satisfaction with another female is absolutely unacceptable to some women.
Now, I'm not an unreasonable person. And, it's true that my rules are different depending on the man with whom I am currently "cuddling". With my ex, I had zero tolerance for other women, whether they were paper women or a hunk of living meat in the back of his work van. With another guy, I wouldn't mind so much at all. It all has to do with trust, honesty and whether or not my man approached me before he resorted to the pornography.
If I were married a to a man who had to get himself 10 nuts before lunch for health reasons, we have an entirely different issue to which I did not mean to refer. But, I must say, in all the years that I've been a practicing nurse and with all the years I spent in college, I've never heard of an actual physical illness that requires frequent ejaculations. You can rest assured that if there were such an illness, some medical company would have come up with a fake pussy/nut cracker that insurance would cover.
If John is simply stating that constant ejaculations are a preventative measure, I have a problem with that. If it were true, I would think that there would be some numbers attached to it. How do you quantify the necessary ejaculations? How many are good for your purposes? How far can you push something like that? "I have to ejaculate 25 times a day and if I must, I'll do whatever I need to do to accomplish my goal."
I'd hate to think that I'd have to hide the family dog. It occurs to me that, even if you leave Fido out of the conversation, a man could justify a LOT of different behavior by crying, "Health reasons!"
Thankfully, John seems to be a reasonable, honest man. The number he mentions is 3 a week. If a man wants to have sex 3 times a week, I would think that it's the rare wife who wouldn't help him out.
Of course, there may be women who would balk at 3 nuts a week. To them I say, "You have a more serious problem than your husband's pornography use."
The bottom line is that everyone is different. Every couple has their own "culture"...things that are normal and acceptable within the confines of their relationship. Some of those cultures include porn and some don't. A smart couple will work these things out before marriage.
As I said, porn use may or not bother me...it's totally dependent upon the guy. If he's an honest man who I can trust completely, I wouldn't mind much at all. But if the guy is a liar, I wouldn't trust anything he did so porn would just be another in a long line of betrayals.
People need to talk about such things within the confines of their own marital parameters. And then, after two people have shared their honest feelings about porn, or any other topic, they should each respect the feelings of the other. I had no problem telling my ex that pornography was unacceptable to me. When I told him that, I gave him the opportunity to take his Hustler and leave. But, he made the decision to stay. When he did so, he PROMISED me that he would rather have me than porn.
Then, I came back into the house unexpectedly because I had forgotten the checkbook.
I found the man sitting on the bedroom floor, whacking off to the snowy, slanted picture of a porno flick with audio coming in and out with the snowy, slanted picture. I didn't know whether to laugh or cry.
But with my first ex...it never bothered me. Of course, he didn't try to hide it from me either. He would just go into the bedroom, in the middle of the day, and have a penis party. That man didn't even make sure that the door was pulled shut. I would stand outside the door watching and wait for his toes to start wiggling and then I would throw the door open, jump in the room, and shout something annoying. It was all in fun, I didn't care at all.
If I had remained that open, porn might not bother me today. I don't kow exactly what happened to me. I guess it has to do with the entire situation with my second marriage. Everything was dishonest, everything was suspect. If a hair on the passenger seat was a potential problem, can you imagine what a porno magazine would imply to me?
Perhaps John can read between the lines here and see that the damage inflicted upon one person by another can be stunning.
I want me back.
PS By the way, I also was up front with my ex about this fact...if I don't get sex at night, I'm a bitch the next day. During the first 6 years of our marriage, we made love 28 days out of 30...without fail. We were happy. It wasn't I who stopped the sex. So, if I WAS a bitch, he could have easily put a stop to it.
...but in a reasonable way. He expects us to "fire away" at him for his honesty. We don't do that to men here. We shred them up for being liars, morons or both. (Speaking of which...Hey JQ!)
I appreciate John's honesty and I can debate him calmly because of it. My ex wouldn't know that I have that ability because he never tried to be honest with me. Anyway, here is John's comment regarding men and their use of porn:
I would argue that many men do use porn to an unhealthy extreme, which I would define as affecting the man's ability to have sexual relations with his wife. if the wife wants to make love, and the man just satisfied himself using porn and is physically unavailable, then that would be unhealthy. But there are many sound physical reasons for men to release themselves more frequently than women want, or need. Scientific studies have shown a relationship between some diseases (prostate cancer, for one) and how often a man ejaculates. Not how often he has loving sex with a significant other, just ejaculates. There are other physical benefits to more frequent sex than is normal (three times per week seems necessary according to most of the studies). Still, if porn and masturbation are interfering with sex within the marriage, that is unhealthy.
Before I respond to this comment, let me qualify what I'm about to say. I know that some women don't mind if their man enjoys pornography. I am not referring to them. If you are a man, woman or couple who find porn to be a sexual enhancer, go for it. I'm not speaking to you.
I'm speaking for the millions of women who are bothered when the man who they love finds it necessary to get a nut using images of women other than his wife. And you guys may actually SEE the pictures, we have to IMAGINE what you're doing. We don't like the picture of you and some tramp in our head at all! I've never heard anything regarding John's assertion that an increased number of ejaculations are a healthy thing, but I'm gonna give him the benefit of the doubt.
Say it's true. Let's pretend that a man's very life depends on an ejaculation once every half hour. It's not the fact that the man is ejaculating without us that we find hurtful...it's the fact that the ejaculation is accomplished because the man just imagined some trashy broad sucking his dick, taking his dick up her ass or taking it up the normal portal.
If it is true that a man needs constant relief for health reasons, why doesn't he plan ahead, take pictures of his wife and then just whack off to her image? Man, that would make me feel sexy.
John, I appreciate the poor dude who's very life depends on constant ejaculations. But I still say that, no matter what the health issue, finding sexual satisfaction with another female is absolutely unacceptable to some women.
Now, I'm not an unreasonable person. And, it's true that my rules are different depending on the man with whom I am currently "cuddling". With my ex, I had zero tolerance for other women, whether they were paper women or a hunk of living meat in the back of his work van. With another guy, I wouldn't mind so much at all. It all has to do with trust, honesty and whether or not my man approached me before he resorted to the pornography.
If I were married a to a man who had to get himself 10 nuts before lunch for health reasons, we have an entirely different issue to which I did not mean to refer. But, I must say, in all the years that I've been a practicing nurse and with all the years I spent in college, I've never heard of an actual physical illness that requires frequent ejaculations. You can rest assured that if there were such an illness, some medical company would have come up with a fake pussy/nut cracker that insurance would cover.
If John is simply stating that constant ejaculations are a preventative measure, I have a problem with that. If it were true, I would think that there would be some numbers attached to it. How do you quantify the necessary ejaculations? How many are good for your purposes? How far can you push something like that? "I have to ejaculate 25 times a day and if I must, I'll do whatever I need to do to accomplish my goal."
I'd hate to think that I'd have to hide the family dog. It occurs to me that, even if you leave Fido out of the conversation, a man could justify a LOT of different behavior by crying, "Health reasons!"
Thankfully, John seems to be a reasonable, honest man. The number he mentions is 3 a week. If a man wants to have sex 3 times a week, I would think that it's the rare wife who wouldn't help him out.
Of course, there may be women who would balk at 3 nuts a week. To them I say, "You have a more serious problem than your husband's pornography use."
The bottom line is that everyone is different. Every couple has their own "culture"...things that are normal and acceptable within the confines of their relationship. Some of those cultures include porn and some don't. A smart couple will work these things out before marriage.
As I said, porn use may or not bother me...it's totally dependent upon the guy. If he's an honest man who I can trust completely, I wouldn't mind much at all. But if the guy is a liar, I wouldn't trust anything he did so porn would just be another in a long line of betrayals.
People need to talk about such things within the confines of their own marital parameters. And then, after two people have shared their honest feelings about porn, or any other topic, they should each respect the feelings of the other. I had no problem telling my ex that pornography was unacceptable to me. When I told him that, I gave him the opportunity to take his Hustler and leave. But, he made the decision to stay. When he did so, he PROMISED me that he would rather have me than porn.
Then, I came back into the house unexpectedly because I had forgotten the checkbook.
I found the man sitting on the bedroom floor, whacking off to the snowy, slanted picture of a porno flick with audio coming in and out with the snowy, slanted picture. I didn't know whether to laugh or cry.
But with my first ex...it never bothered me. Of course, he didn't try to hide it from me either. He would just go into the bedroom, in the middle of the day, and have a penis party. That man didn't even make sure that the door was pulled shut. I would stand outside the door watching and wait for his toes to start wiggling and then I would throw the door open, jump in the room, and shout something annoying. It was all in fun, I didn't care at all.
If I had remained that open, porn might not bother me today. I don't kow exactly what happened to me. I guess it has to do with the entire situation with my second marriage. Everything was dishonest, everything was suspect. If a hair on the passenger seat was a potential problem, can you imagine what a porno magazine would imply to me?
Perhaps John can read between the lines here and see that the damage inflicted upon one person by another can be stunning.
I want me back.
PS By the way, I also was up front with my ex about this fact...if I don't get sex at night, I'm a bitch the next day. During the first 6 years of our marriage, we made love 28 days out of 30...without fail. We were happy. It wasn't I who stopped the sex. So, if I WAS a bitch, he could have easily put a stop to it.
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My husband would agree, actually. He likes pictures of me. I felt silly at first. Especially when he asked me to take them at a time when we were apart (I had to work in a different state). I didn't really know what to do, because I'm not a visual person. But I had some fun doing it.
My turn-on is erotic fiction, though. Does that have the same sense of betrayal? Sometimes I wonder. It's not his thing, anyway. Not that he's said anything about it.
I think whether or not something carries a sense of betrayal is dependent upon the couple in question. I have never considered erotic fiction at all. I don't think it would bother me...unless it had pictures.
:)
First, his assertions about the prostate and cancer is true. Doctors now recommend that men actually do continue to, uh, wank it well into their old age to stave off cancer. A link has been found between non masturbating men and masturbating men - men who don't are more likely to get prostate cancer.
And I LOVE erotic fiction (especially vampire novels)!!!!
A link has been found between non masturbating men and masturbating men - men who don't are more likely to get prostate cancer.
Whoa! Well, what do you know? Learn something new everyday!
Hit that knob John!
As a male, I tend to agree with John that occasional porn is fine. Show me a man who honestly says he never read a Play Boy/Penthouse during his teenage years, and I will show you woman born from a virgin mother. Also, in some of your previous blogs, you depicted some pretty explicit details of you intimate sexual relation with your partner at the time, refering to certain body part with urban cliche; that would annoy people a lot more than porn. It made me fill you were denegrating the genuine relationship, the pleasure is all yours.
There is a fine line between/connect love, trust, lust, sex and procession.
Maybe a man then should marry a woman who doesnt mind him wanking to nekkid girls. If it comes down to wanking off to porn or staying married I guess wanking to porn is more important to some men.
Anon, you're exact;y right.
Notw,
In some relationships, the pleasure IS all mine. In others, I care about the guy. That makes me equal with most men...doesn't it?
What is your average length of each relationship? Have you given up on a relationship that is to last? Was there always a winner and a looser at the end of each relationship? What about the pain?
Marriage is an artificial word, if there were no marriage, there wouldn't be any devoice.
Here is an article from New Scientist that explains the link between ejaculation and decreased risk of prostate cancer:
http://tinyurl.com/3cj5u6
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It says '12 times per month' confers benefits, which is what John said.
:)
Meg, I disagree when you say that you think less than 3 times a week means a couple has problems. Even if you meant only when the husband wants 3 and the wife doesn't feel like it. But hey, like you said, normal is different for everybody.
the angel Jean
Jean,
I only meant that a wife who refused to make love to her husband 3 times a week for health reasons has a problem.
Not, You won't be around here much longer.
Cat food is an artificial word. If there were no cats, there would be no cat food.
It sounds as though you are talking about a totally different topic.
Okay, my bad interpretation. I even assumed that you meant relationship problems, when really all you said was
You have a more serious problem than your husband's pornography use.
Yeah, a wife who refuses to make love to her husband three times a week if his health depends on it has ... problems. For one, there's probably issues that lead women to refuse in the first place. For example, lack of time, work stress, lack of sleep/energy, lack of quality time together (whatever the cause). In a way, you could say sometimes a woman's health depends on it (some people need their sleep!) A couple in a good relationship might try to make time, but it's not always possible.
A more serious problem than pornography use, though? Still thinking about that one.
I did diverted from the topic a bit on my last comment. And I might have also touch a sore point. If I did, I apologise, thats not my intension.
Geting back to the male watching porn, I would only watch it when I am really bored or stressed. Its a form of escape from reality, I do get sexually aroused, but I never masturbate at the same time. For those who do, thats absolutely fine for me as long as they do it at their own privacy. Watching porn is no different to watching soap or "reality" TV show. How many movies or tv series are there with no nudity or sex scene in it? It just shows the public enjoy watching it, and hopefully, most of them know its only some actors acting out fantasy. I have never been able to sit through a single episode of Desperate Housewife or Sin City. Because it was trying too hard to make beleive.
When I am watching porn, I know right at the beginning its all fake, and I am only seeking some sort of emotional release. It doesn't mean I love my partner any less. I do draw a line in porn though, I hate violence, I strongly beleive paedophile and rappist should be castrated, and I don't like 'unnatural' practice such as anul sex or the so all sex toys. On the other hand, for those consenting couples who enjoy doing it, again thats fine.
You may think the woman/women acting in the porn movie are being degraded, but to me they are only acting, they may or may not enjoy doing it; but at least, they are adults participating with their own consent. Its no more degrading for the female as for the male actors.
As for male masturbation, I did do it often enough when I was at my late teen right through to my adulthood watching Play Boy/Penthouse megazine, its a form of sexual relief, and I didn't have a sex partner then. Since I have been engaged in a permanent relationship which is over 20 years now, I have done it occasionally, for no particular reason at all but to seek releive from boredom or stress. Occasionally, I mean less than once or twice a year. And again, it does not mean I love my partner any less. For those who feel like doing it more often, its their liberty, everybody is different.
Now, again its fine if you are to leave me out of your blog. Its your diary. And I am just commenting, not critisising. I am only commenting on the male's aspect on watching porn and masturbation. If you feel like publishing it, fine, but please don't edit anything out except the last paragraph.
Jean,
I just meant that if there are 2 problems in a marriage, porn being one and a wife who doesn't love her husband enough to make love 3 times a week, the latter is the huger problem.
Notw,
It's all good. That last comment did strike me as a tad annoying, but you took the time to explain and I slept all night. So, we're cool.
:):):)
Thanks for your thoughtfullness. I am not a geek, the comment to your blog is my first time ever to go on a public bullitin board. And I did it with great respect.
I keep my sex live very private. I don't think anyone can be better my partner. Its only shared between us with lots of love and great excitment and fun.
I wouldn't raise a sex topic at a dinner party. But if someone raise it, I wouldn't feel embarased or offended at all. I would discuse the topic objectively, but leave my sex live with my partner completely out.
Your blog is meant to be fun and chicky, sorry if I spoiled it.
Thanks Friend.
p.s. I grown dependent to my spelchcker. :)
First of all, the idea that a man MUST ejaculate in order to maintain prostate health isn't entirely true. The JAMA published a study that says there is NO correlation between a higher ejaculation rate and reduced risk of prostate cancer.
The National Cancer Institute did a study and said:
"In this prospective cohort study among predominantly white men, higher ejaculation frequency was not related to increased risk of prostate cancer. Our results suggest that high ejaculation frequency possibly may be associated with a lower risk of total and organ-confined prostate cancer. These associations were not explained by potential risk factors for prostate cancer, such as age, family history of prostate cancer, history of syphilis or gonorrhea, smoking, and diet," explained the authors."
The words "possibly may be" indicate that there COULD be a SLIGHT chance that all that wanking MIGHT help, but there's no scietific evidence to prove that it's necessary.
Now that THAT'S out of the way, here are my thoughts about porn.
If both people in the relationship are ok with it, fine. However, if one of the partners uses porn as a means to achieve sexual gratification at the exclusion of his or her partner, that's a problem. If your partner is tired that night, rather than understanding his or her need for sleep you run to the computer or your DVD stash and focus your sexual energy on someone else, then it wasn't really about wanting intimacy with your partner in the first place. When you are in a committed relationship, part of that commitment means that you will share that sort of intimacy with your partner only. To say that if you don't "love" your husband enough to have sex 3 times a week is unbelievably selfish and outdated for my liking. If you, as a wife, are working, raising a child or children, doing the housework, cooking etc., and you are tired at the end of the day, perhaps your husband doesn't love YOU enough to allow you time to actually sleep for an extra hour. There is NO physical need for him to HAVE to have sex 3 times a week. Why then are his desires more important than your own?
I just think that if either partner turns to some other sourse of sexual gratification instead of sharing that intimacy with their partner, that's a problem. When you exclude your partner from the very act that is supposed to bring you together, you drive a wedge between you. You create insecurities and distance, which isn't healhy for the relationship.
So, men can get over their grown up way of saying they'll just die if they don't ejaculate. While it "might possibly be" helpful, I'd say it's more healthy to maintain a close, loving relationship with your partner than it is to get off because it makes you feel better.
Damn...I wish I had said that.
"...To say that if you don't "love" your husband enough to have sex 3 times a week is unbelievably selfish and outdated for my liking..."
Once again, remember the context, I was talking about a life threatening case of blue balls. I maintain that if a quickie here or there would make the man I love healthier...I'd find a few minutes. Of course, this crap is dependent upon reciprocation.
:):):)
Jaded - you are bloody brilliant! I never considered it that way (except to think me missing my extra hour was rude!)
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